Wednesday, 12 December 2007
rushing
things moving quickly, and people aren't following everything
UN seem to be in control though
UN seem to be in control though
planning
no one's planning for what to do if agreement can't be reached on anything, or on any bit of text
bit ragged now
getting my words coming back verbatim, which means someone will notice i've used the same phrases over and again...
still working through
not much time for check-back and final revisions
now i'm getting into the 'let's agree something, anything' mode
now i'm getting into the 'let's agree something, anything' mode
Award rumours
Rumours suggest that
Best negotiator in each basket: Tom, Daniele, Lesley
Best dressed: Nat
Worst dressed: Dom
Most improved: Kuwait
Most surprising delegate: Georgina
Most diplomatic: Matthew Furnis
Most OTT: Lebanon, threat of withdrawing all support
Most lazy negotiator:
Best participating group: UN/Egypt
Best proposal: SEED
Best negotiator in each basket: Tom, Daniele, Lesley
Best dressed: Nat
Worst dressed: Dom
Most improved: Kuwait
Most surprising delegate: Georgina
Most diplomatic: Matthew Furnis
Most OTT: Lebanon, threat of withdrawing all support
Most lazy negotiator:
Best participating group: UN/Egypt
Best proposal: SEED
Awards
Three of the chair group are compiling a list of their awards for this conference.
Categories include:
Best negotiator
Best and worst dressed
Most diplomatic
Most lazy negotiator
More details soon.
Categories include:
Best negotiator
Best and worst dressed
Most diplomatic
Most lazy negotiator
More details soon.
fingered!
i sense my popularity has plumbed new depths...
clearly, people hadn't expected this to happen
clearly, people hadn't expected this to happen
Tablet
Note that Fran is using stylus on tablet (but still in laptop mode) and PA have gone for full screen-down tablet mode.
speaking times
for the first time, I've thought again about the discussion about speaking times in the preliminary game - maybe two people have run out of time in the last 2.5 days...
Seems very irrelevant right now.
Seems very irrelevant right now.
websites
Can see two groups looking up BBC News and wikipedia - suspect that they have been heavily used sources over the 3 days
Oil
drifts in an out of the negotiation, despite everyone having a clear interest in it (unlike Palestine).
photos
clearly not everyone is totally comfortable with the cameras, so that's not fully normalised as part of the experience...
preamble
somewhat worrying MSN discussion about 'what is a preamble?'
the conclusion sessions are going to be fun...
the conclusion sessions are going to be fun...
restart
obviously, the main focus has been collecting essays from Maxine. Also the main topic of chat around the room right now.
water
again slowed by looking at specific cases, rather than building general principles. Saudi is making just this point
another round of MSNing my agreement
need to prepare for the final decision, otherwise it'll be meaningless
parallel sessions again
all three baskets working in different rooms right now
Arran is pushing his embassy idea again
Arran is pushing his embassy idea again
msn
rather silly episode, where i had to reply to all groups agreeing to the FTA. not the best way to do things.
rapporteur
LEbanon is controlling this debate, which makes sense as they are the rapporteur.
the kuwaiti rapporteur has disappeared for Hum, so not sure if they'll be any text to agree on later...
the kuwaiti rapporteur has disappeared for Hum, so not sure if they'll be any text to agree on later...
Computers
Just counting computers on desks
Cyprus: 2 on desk
Egypt: 1 on desk, 1 behind
Iran: 2 on desk
Iraq: 2 on desk
Israel: 2 on desk
Jordan: 1 on desk
Kuwait: 3 on desk
Lebanon: 2 on desk
Libya: 2 on desk
PA: 2 on desk
Saudi Arabia: 1 on desk, 1 behind (not currently used)
Sudan: 1 on desk
Syria: 1 on desk
Turkey: 1 on desk
UN: 4 on desk
Simon: 1
Steve: 1
Total: 31 computers
There are currently these people in the room:
14 basket leaders
2 other participants
4 UN Group
Simon
Steve
Total: 22 people
We have nearly 1.5 computers per person at the moment.
Loud noises from next door.
Cyprus: 2 on desk
Egypt: 1 on desk, 1 behind
Iran: 2 on desk
Iraq: 2 on desk
Israel: 2 on desk
Jordan: 1 on desk
Kuwait: 3 on desk
Lebanon: 2 on desk
Libya: 2 on desk
PA: 2 on desk
Saudi Arabia: 1 on desk, 1 behind (not currently used)
Sudan: 1 on desk
Syria: 1 on desk
Turkey: 1 on desk
UN: 4 on desk
Simon: 1
Steve: 1
Total: 31 computers
There are currently these people in the room:
14 basket leaders
2 other participants
4 UN Group
Simon
Steve
Total: 22 people
We have nearly 1.5 computers per person at the moment.
Loud noises from next door.
MSN negotiations
been contacted by Iran's Hum Basket, whose train was cancelled - he's MSNing his negotiations from home.
maybe this could be next year's game - all remote, no personal contact at all...
maybe this could be next year's game - all remote, no personal contact at all...
morning break
still no urgency, and still a sense of confusion about how to tackle things.
eco-env have been meeting informally, so will be interesting to see how they progress
eco-env have been meeting informally, so will be interesting to see how they progress
jordan
falls into a bear-trap - don't think they were paying too much attention...
and don't know their positions either.
clearly not much use of the position papers
and don't know their positions either.
clearly not much use of the position papers
israel-bashing
in full swing. to no effect. perhaps Israel's reticence is a tactic. it's working for now, assuming they keep their nerve.
egypt
is framing things in a somewhat aggressive manner - still pushing on Israel making concessions, when they're not going to.
still no strong sense of urgency
distracted by point-scoing. can also hear security group chatting next door (i.e. not sounds of focused debate)
libya
their humanitarian delegate is ill, but wants to stay (for their portfolio), but clearly doesn't trust their group...
msn
still getting queries on specific points from groups, including a lot of bilateral stuff, which i've universally been knocking on the head for everyone.
israel
not being very clear or loud, and I have the impression that this is weakening their influence in the debate.
0920, and now 30 students
0920, and now 30 students
lebanon
just reading from my email, suggesting that they've not been able to use it as a basis for developing a flexible negotiating base.
final day
sent off another slew of emails last night, all much more focused than on Monday, with the existence of text
Tuesday, 11 December 2007
terrorism
only really now that we're having this discussion, and lots of tip-toeing around definitions.
sophistry
people seem to be getting a bit of a handle on agreeing to things that don't mean what other people think they mean. however, they're still too straight.
embassies
odd discussion. Arran is very driven to get something that he's suggested agreed. the objections are not the obvious ones about state recognition and normalisation, but about physical security.
Sympodium
Have noticed that room 3 are using the sympodium system, to draw diagrams which are projected onto the walls. They have also asked for whiteboard markers to write on the walls.
Sympodium
Notice that room 3 are drawing on the sympodium system, projected onto the screen. They have also just asked for whiteboard markers to write on the walls.
fragmentation
getting quite broken up now, with various meetings of varying statuses.
good for productivity, bad for coordination
good for productivity, bad for coordination
incredulity
strange how often students are shocked at colleague's positions, when they are so well-known...
confusion
still lots of confusion over what they can do and what status what text has.
also not too clear about consensus
also not too clear about consensus
other sessions are informal
so UN not involved.
however, don't seem to be too concerned about ensuring they know what's happening, which might cause problems later
however, don't seem to be too concerned about ensuring they know what's happening, which might cause problems later
new dynamic
the emergent dynamic now is that of focus on the negitations and a subsequent desire to complete things. the pay-off of parallel sessions is lack of coordination between baskets, so that final session tomorrow will be chaotic.
parallel sessions
currenlty three seperate neogitations going on in three rooms. pressure is starting to build.
humanitarian basket is tying down commitments to aid and a clear agenda for tomorrow, all under EG direction.
econ basket is drafting text.
security continue to work through their drafts
humanitarian basket is tying down commitments to aid and a clear agenda for tomorrow, all under EG direction.
econ basket is drafting text.
security continue to work through their drafts
socialisation
Steve already noted it today, but more people talking about 'my country' and defending positions they don't necessarily hold in real life.
real-life/wiki
a good example of how people are focused on the computers and not on what people are saying.
and how the wiki is used.
and how the wiki is used.
Wiki for MECCA text
Nice use of Wiki for discussing the MECCA principles, colour coded YES NO MAYBE for each countries' views.
PA
asking for an apology for the attack this morning in the West Bank from Israel
PA don't really know how they're playing this one, beyond asking for the apology.
Gabriel notes he's not in a position to apologise.
and the moment passes...
PA don't really know how they're playing this one, beyond asking for the apology.
Gabriel notes he's not in a position to apologise.
and the moment passes...
lunch
quite a few people hanging around today, unlike yesterday, where it was deserted.
further evidence of more focus
further evidence of more focus
wiki
being used in a different way from that forseen, with use of threads prior to putting text in main page.
attitude shift?
Both Steve and I have noticed that people are more focused today on finding agreement, rather scoring points. this appears to be a self-generated thing, since I hadn't given such guidance last night.
However, still fairly minimal stuff, so will have to see how much they can do
However, still fairly minimal stuff, so will have to see how much they can do
security negotiation
interesting stuff
lot of unhappiness about yesterday and states sounding off.
outline agreement on agenda and willingness to explore options.
limited number of relevant actors - IS, IN, EG, SY - others pretty quiet and passive.
also discussed different caucus options
lot of unhappiness about yesterday and states sounding off.
outline agreement on agenda and willingness to explore options.
limited number of relevant actors - IS, IN, EG, SY - others pretty quiet and passive.
also discussed different caucus options
chairing
The UN chairing as been a bit more ragged this morning - Felicity has been looking to Heidi for guidance and involvement.
Other chairs have been working to try and keep other baskets moving forward too, via MSN.
Other chairs have been working to try and keep other baskets moving forward too, via MSN.
Consensus
Interesting discussion on the nature of consensus, and what it means for this debate. More interesting that it's taken till Tuesday morning to get this understood - it's a fairly fundamental point I would have thought.
caution
having MSN'd UN about getting people to be more open in negotiations.
also suggested to RO that UN shoudl try to get agreement on opening future negotiations, not cloding them.
also suggested to RO that UN shoudl try to get agreement on opening future negotiations, not cloding them.
Chair MSN
Note that Heidi is very active on MSN, I suspect she's a strong underlying influence in these discussions.
requests
getting lots of queries about whether states can do this or that. maybe why people are still cautious
dynamics
strange mix here. On one hand, deep ideological splits on Israel-Arab lines, which kills off lots of ideas. On the other, recognition of common problems (here, water), leading to everyone pitching in together. no on seems to have a problem with this dissonance. yet.
agenda
this morning we do have an agenda, after Lebanon convened a meeting last night.
so discussion is more directed, but still not a sense of strong engagement
so discussion is more directed, but still not a sense of strong engagement
Late start
by me, unfortunately.
although also clear that negotiations only kicked off at 9.15, with one state not represented at all.
even now, at 9.25, a good dozen people are missing.
although also clear that negotiations only kicked off at 9.15, with one state not represented at all.
even now, at 9.25, a good dozen people are missing.
Monday, 10 December 2007
Closure
15 mins after session formally closed, and about half the participants remain in the room. Debreifing from Simon for chair group
Iran education proposal
Note that Turkey are looking at world literacy rates online following Iran's proposal to 'spearhead a plan' to raise education standards based on their own 'fantastic' education system - suspect their giggles were due to Iran having a relatively low position in these rates
suspiciousness
yet another problem - the groups don't trust each other. In part, this is due to groups only raising specific issues, rather than more generic points.
sense of marking time now
no great progress since the break - the various ideas get shot down, the groups just try to score points off each other.
Chair wiki member (sorry, don't know her name, but not Heidi) is currently using facebook and doesn't seem to be paying any attention to the debate.
UN
as in the preliminary game, the UN is very hands-off ("it's not for us to find solutions"), which makes this negotiation even harder.
nothing is anyone's problem: everything is everyone else's problem...
nothing is anyone's problem: everything is everyone else's problem...
Kurds
Iraq still not clear about position on Kurds - giving Turkey a hard time about Kurdish rights, but have domestic position of no autonomy.
humanitarian
small group discussion starting to get somewhere, but no Saudis and no time.
also worth noting a cluster of people in 03AC03, who've clearly given up for the day...
also worth noting a cluster of people in 03AC03, who've clearly given up for the day...
procedure
UN just made a hash of re-jigging the schedule, partly because they were too accomodating, partly because they weren't clear enough.
EY MC on aid
strangely precise negotiation on aid - not workable.
but good work by Egypt in leading this.
Just seen a Jordanian playing some action game...
but good work by Egypt in leading this.
Just seen a Jordanian playing some action game...
caution
part of the problem seems to be that groups think they have to get national capital approval for entering all discussions. I've MSN'd to rectify this.
UMC on aid
another odd caucus - no obvious activity on the topic of aid. TK and CY have an understanding about their status, hence their reluctance to discuss the occupation.
IS not getting too involved with Lucie as representative. Saudis also not working the room at all.
IS not getting too involved with Lucie as representative. Saudis also not working the room at all.
cyprus-bashing
not sure what the agenda is behind giving Cyprus a hard time about refugees. although they're not helping themselves very much
aid plan
good idea, but I think that some countries will not be happy about loosing any influence associated with pooling aid (e.g. Saudis, Libya).
also good for parking issue, but question of what else to discuss.
at which point Iran raises Cyprus occupation...
also good for parking issue, but question of what else to discuss.
at which point Iran raises Cyprus occupation...
egypt
immediate suggestion of a UMC, suggesting no one really talked over lunch...
accepted by almost everyone
accepted by almost everyone
lunchtime feedback
those i talked to seem happy with the progress so far. no one looks too stressed yet.
norman jackson (Sceptre) dropped by to say that some technical feedback on the room would be very helpful.
norman jackson (Sceptre) dropped by to say that some technical feedback on the room would be very helpful.
lunchtime
Steve and I have been photgraphing desks, to gather evidence of who's doing what and how. lots of interesting stuff...
water aid
just capturing some good footage following the break for lunch regarding the water aid issue raised by Cyprus.
one hour discussion
and what is there to show for it? not much, if that.
Lebanon is googling all its points (news sources & wikipedia)
Lebanon is googling all its points (news sources & wikipedia)
today
looks like a 'get things off our chests' kind of day.
pushing around of responsibility (egypt just said Israel should propose a text)
pushing around of responsibility (egypt just said Israel should propose a text)
attention wandering
people starting to drift away now. also several people have simply left the room in the last break.
it's going to be hard to get text agreed, given the general lethargy and the precedent set by the security basket. They'll struggle to put something together in the time allocated.
it's going to be hard to get text agreed, given the general lethargy and the precedent set by the security basket. They'll struggle to put something together in the time allocated.
Egypt lost from MSN
Egypt has become disconnected from MSN, which is relevant as they are a current speaker.
egypt-bashing
i sense a theme emerging - this time Egypt is getting it in the neck because they were first to put their heads above the wall. still not productive
refugees
so again we've fallen into the Palestinian issue, when there are clearly more general issues arising about refugees.
military transparency
dangerous stuff for the Israelis to suggest. looks like syria might save them.
everyone's getting to grips with saying things that they can't stick to in practice.
everyone's getting to grips with saying things that they can't stick to in practice.
Cyprus
stymies Iran's idea, as they are EU members, so can't seperate out 'their' interests from 'others'.
more general problem that hard to know if you can agree to something without seeing detail
more general problem that hard to know if you can agree to something without seeing detail
detail
finally Iran explain their idea - so i'm glad i told them that they'd need this in their position paper
caucus
didn't seem to resolve issues - Saudis and Iranians didn't talk to each other. Kuwait was active
Laptops
Just noting that there are 38 active laptops in the room, including those that were provided, Simon's and Steve's. Very nearly 1 per person.
Un moving too quickly
nonta suggested agreeing to permanent cte on something, but not clear on what and no real discussion. iran raising just this point and trying to push MECCA again.
negotiations
hard to know what's what, since i think there are bits of text floating around, informing discussion, but discussion is a bit vague and confused.
jordan finally speaks
good intervention as a balancer.
still not heard from Iraq or Libya. Sudan only spoke a couple of times.
still not heard from Iraq or Libya. Sudan only spoke a couple of times.
debate
everyone's trying to be constructive, but in individual directions. still looking for coordination, which might come from this unmod'd caucus
israel recognition
israel just asked for everyone to recognise them as a legitimate, sovereign state...
Heidi points out UN charter implies this.
Heidi points out UN charter implies this.
issue separation
getting a bit confused over what's being discussed (occupied territories and nuclear)
MSN
obviously loads going on in MSN.
possible problem of people not paying attention to real conversation
possible problem of people not paying attention to real conversation
MSN links
Israel just sent a link via MSN - nice use. Wasn't actually listening enough to know what the link was!
caucus
gabriel held court and declaimed most the time. CY and TK came up with a good idea about a solution. no one wanted to talk with Dom
Israel
Picking up some great footage of Israel - and a big group of people, sound is a bit indistinct, but the Israel protests can be clearly heard
The blog
The blog's a great idea, just wondered if it was planned in advance or just seemed like a good idea at the time
RoP
Repeated explanation of RoP - will it sink in or is the chair being over-zealous in reinforcing these?
key problem (part 2)
how do you order events? who goes first?
again, this needn't be a problem, if they discussing more general principles.
again, this needn't be a problem, if they discussing more general principles.
preparation
if you look at the CSCE final act, then you'll see it's not framed at the kind of level we're working at here. if it remains bilateral, then they won't agree anything.
Multitasking
Am intruiged by the amount of multitasking taking place here, all of the computers seem to be active, and there seems to be a lot of MSN use - unsure if related or personal. At least one person seems to be working on an essay.
key problem
how do you ensure compliance of things agreed here? Lebanon can't control Hezbollah, so israel is perfectly right to be wary of making commitments.
positions/interests
starting to move to the latter, although it's a slow process. now talking about terrorism in general.
no-one's got into the idea of vague language as a way of side-stepping these issues.
no-one's got into the idea of vague language as a way of side-stepping these issues.
lebanon-israel
still going - the UN reaffirms the RoP, but not very forceably.
I think the Un will not have a smooth ride in this basket
Lebanon is not very clear about who's doing what - Daniela's coordinating Arran
I think the Un will not have a smooth ride in this basket
Lebanon is not very clear about who's doing what - Daniela's coordinating Arran
constructiveness
can anyone bring up a constructive agenda, otherwise we'll just have a discussion about how bad everyone else is.
getting beyond positions
maybe re-reading the CSCE document would help.
Israel's doing a good job of not rising to the bait of Lebanon, although that's not doing to last much more.
the Un could progress this, although without other topics, we'll drift back to it.
Israel's doing a good job of not rising to the bait of Lebanon, although that's not doing to last much more.
the Un could progress this, although without other topics, we'll drift back to it.
agenda
no one's really worked out that being first with their agenda is a big plus. even if Lebanon is picking in with cluster bombs and Shebaa, neither of which is really the kind of point that would be raised in this kind of forum
saudi
takes opportunity to re-float their plan and is instantly attacked by Israel. I think we might be working from first principles. although PA has just raised Annapolis
Principles Art 6 (frontiers)
Saudi's compromise is a way out of the impasse over who's occupying whom: but it still has issues of what frontiers we are talking about, since not all current frontiers are recognised.
Welcome
As you can see, this was set up rather late in the day.
the idea is to have a site that reflects my observations as we go through the main simulation.
the idea is to have a site that reflects my observations as we go through the main simulation.
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